maxi1230
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Post by maxi1230 on Nov 2, 2015 21:45:38 GMT
Well I would be interested but I am not really competitive... I can only play Illidan and Tyrael really good and don't know all the strategy and things but I guess you could help me
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lorgi
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Post by lorgi on Nov 3, 2015 1:27:45 GMT
maxi, I'm pretty sure we could also play qm as some easy training matches (mainly for heroes we're not so good with, like most of my roster XD ) and yeah, definitely interested, I stopped grinding HL because I couldn't vary my hero choices, but I'm pretty sure I cuold reach rank 1 (but really don't want to grind so much)
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Post by Aferes on Nov 3, 2015 13:48:57 GMT
I know what you mean Lorgi, i could reach rank 1 too but every now and then you get that "potato" game. Which destroys your rank and there isn't much you can do. But that is the point of playing in a team league so we can actually get rank 1 which i think is pretty doable. Maxi you are more than welcome to join, i will show you the strategies. Also the point as Lorgi mentioned is to play with heroes you are not used to using so it can open variety of choices(instead of always going dps because if you pick support you rely on your team playing well which is not going to happen and you don't have much of an impact compared to playing another role in random games). We have a few people to play team league now. Its going to be this Saturday 7th of November. I will send out a private message once i create the Teamspeak client with the server and password. If you don't have a mic is ok, at least you will be able to listen which is better than nothing
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Post by lorgi on Nov 3, 2015 16:06:33 GMT
I have 24 bought heroes (intend to get 3 more), and out of those I enjoy playing around 20 in HL I played 5-6 heroes -> boring
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Post by hazunia on Nov 4, 2015 13:54:03 GMT
I did write a small guide for Li Li a while back. www.heroesfire.com/hots/guide/simple-li-li-guides-15-10-2015-7191I wouldn't say she's all that strong in the early game. Unless you go with a full on serpent build, which I'm not a fan of since it completely sacrifices Li Lis late game and reduces her already limited tool kit. Depending on your build there are a couple of power spikes for Li Li. If you go with a serpent build, then your first power spike comes with the bouncing attacks for the serpent (Lightning Serpent) at lv 7 and another at lv. 16 with Serpent Sidekick, which not only increases Li Lis survivability, but also makes her into a little bit of a bruiser. My favorite build is still with a Q build with Lingering Blind, or Mass Vortex together with the slow buff at lv 13 which allows Li Li to run escaping opponents over and hinders their ability to reposition in a fight. Yes, you heal less statistically, but with the cleanse and speed buff and the slowing vortex, you have so much more utility it more than makes up for it.
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Post by Unruler on Nov 4, 2015 19:10:45 GMT
I did write a small guide for Li Li a while back. www.heroesfire.com/hots/guide/simple-li-li-guides-15-10-2015-7191I wouldn't say she's all that strong in the early game. Unless you go with a full on serpent build, which I'm not a fan of since it completely sacrifices Li Lis late game and reduces her already limited tool kit. Depending on your build there are a couple of power spikes for Li Li. If you go with a serpent build, then your first power spike comes with the bouncing attacks for the serpent (Lightning Serpent) at lv 7 and another at lv. 16 with Serpent Sidekick, which not only increases Li Lis survivability, but also makes her into a little bit of a bruiser. My favorite build is still with a Q build with Lingering Blind, or Mass Vortex together with the slow buff at lv 13 which allows Li Li to run escaping opponents over and hinders their ability to reposition in a fight. Yes, you heal less statistically, but with the cleanse and speed buff and the slowing vortex, you have so much more utility it more than makes up for it. The problem of Lili is that she's very difficult to play competitively. Sure, you can position yourself so you can target your heals, can position yourself during cups as well so it's hard for enemy to interrupt, but it's very difficult to do, so I'd say she's easy to play on noob level, but very hard to master. Also, she's one of the strongest early game healers btw, she's sometimes picked on mines for that property.
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Post by hazunia on Nov 4, 2015 22:36:44 GMT
That's actually not as big of an issue as you might think. With the cleanse and speed buff at lv 17, an injured player can fairly easily and safely disengage if need be and at lv 20 with Kungfu Hustle, the cooldowns are so fast that you become a healing machine gun and it becomes very difficult even with bursty heroes like Jaina, or KT to take your team down. This also means that having your Cups interrupted really isn't all that big of a deal actually. In fact I am sort of starting to think that having the Cups actually hurts your late game where the Water Dragon might actually be stronger.
When it comes to healing, there is another support that has even more insane early game healing over Li Li and that's Lt. Morales. Also Kharazim is similarily strong early game healer.
You're not wrong though by any means.
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Post by lorgi on Nov 5, 2015 1:05:29 GMT
team Roccat used Lili a lot as hard counter to Butcher and Ilidan comps and had great success with her other than that I believe she's decent in other situations, but lack of cleanse will really hurt vs stun heavy comps all in all good imo if the player is good, but I think Malf is strictly better than her in most situations
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Post by Unruler on Nov 5, 2015 10:02:32 GMT
team Roccat used Lili a lot as hard counter to Butcher and Ilidan comps and had great success with her other than that I believe she's decent in other situations, but lack of cleanse will really hurt vs stun heavy comps all in all good imo if the player is good, but I think Malf is strictly better than her in most situations Malf? I'd say Malf is very weak right now especially after some of his talents got removed: his early heals are non-existent and even later he's too slow. I'd say both Malf and Lili are on the bottom of the support list, only BW is lower now, because he literally does absolutely nothing now.
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Post by hazunia on Nov 5, 2015 19:40:05 GMT
team Roccat used Lili a lot as hard counter to Butcher and Ilidan comps and had great success with her other than that I believe she's decent in other situations, but lack of cleanse will really hurt vs stun heavy comps all in all good imo if the player is good, but I think Malf is strictly better than her in most situations She does have cleanse option at lv 16.
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maxi1230
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Post by maxi1230 on Nov 5, 2015 19:48:53 GMT
I can't play on saturday sadly, except maybe in the morning
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Post by meeklosh on Nov 5, 2015 21:27:32 GMT
I can't play on saturday sadly, except maybe in the morning same
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Post by lorgi on Nov 6, 2015 1:48:03 GMT
team Roccat used Lili a lot as hard counter to Butcher and Ilidan comps and had great success with her other than that I believe she's decent in other situations, but lack of cleanse will really hurt vs stun heavy comps all in all good imo if the player is good, but I think Malf is strictly better than her in most situations She does have cleanse option at lv 16. too slow, if you need cleanse, you need it asap (monk has both options, very flexible)
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Post by lorgi on Nov 6, 2015 1:57:22 GMT
team Roccat used Lili a lot as hard counter to Butcher and Ilidan comps and had great success with her other than that I believe she's decent in other situations, but lack of cleanse will really hurt vs stun heavy comps all in all good imo if the player is good, but I think Malf is strictly better than her in most situations Malf? I'd say Malf is very weak right now especially after some of his talents got removed: his early heals are non-existent and even later he's too slow. I'd say both Malf and Lili are on the bottom of the support list, only BW is lower now, because he literally does absolutely nothing now. I'm talking about the competitive scene, and there Rehgar (alongside Lili) is pretty much considered the worst (maybe Morales, not really talking about her) Malf is played with heal boost on 4, scales well and helps in early game the point of playing Malf is anticipating damage and casting Q and tranq in advance, he's not reactionary healer like Uther or Rehgar Malf imo has the biggest healing numbers in the game if he stays alive for long enough to create them (same goes for Morales) BW is making a huge comeback (you seen blizzcon games?), mobility and utility is amazing in the right hands (and the team who knows how to play around her) overall, utility over heals is the way pros go, unless you comp the team to protect the healer and you just want 1 pure healer on board (then you go for Malf or Morales) - Uther and monk have way too much utility to fall in the above category (that's why they're the best 2 healer in the game atm)
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Post by Unruler on Nov 6, 2015 10:44:46 GMT
Malf? I'd say Malf is very weak right now especially after some of his talents got removed: his early heals are non-existent and even later he's too slow. I'd say both Malf and Lili are on the bottom of the support list, only BW is lower now, because he literally does absolutely nothing now. I'm talking about the competitive scene, and there Rehgar (alongside Lili) is pretty much considered the worst (maybe Morales, not really talking about her) Malf is played with heal boost on 4, scales well and helps in early game the point of playing Malf is anticipating damage and casting Q and tranq in advance, he's not reactionary healer like Uther or Rehgar Malf imo has the biggest healing numbers in the game if he stays alive for long enough to create them (same goes for Morales) BW is making a huge comeback (you seen blizzcon games?), mobility and utility is amazing in the right hands (and the team who knows how to play around her) overall, utility over heals is the way pros go, unless you comp the team to protect the healer and you just want 1 pure healer on board (then you go for Malf or Morales) - Uther and monk have way too much utility to fall in the above category (that's why they're the best 2 healer in the game atm) Well, anything can work in competitive scene, if you train a lot to use certain heroes and in certain hero comp, I'm just talking overall hero strength. Also why Reghar is considered weak?
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Post by lorgi on Nov 6, 2015 14:50:22 GMT
idk, he just is melee range hurts a lot, you have to get dangerously close to attack or drop totem (usually suicidal) so that means less utility I've seen team DK use him in Ilidan comp with more focus on W shield and less on classic heal build and that worked better than normal Rehgar
and totem by itself is prolly the worst control ability any support in game has, even if used correctly to me he just feels like a bad Uther/monk
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Post by Unruler on Nov 7, 2015 19:15:24 GMT
Three new heroes were announced on Blizzcon: Lunara, Greymane and Cho'gall (which will be controlled by 2 players) as well as new game mode, arena.
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Post by lorgi on Nov 8, 2015 2:16:37 GMT
esp looking forward to Greymane, looks great XD and arena will bring some fresh air imo, should be good
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Post by Aferes on Nov 8, 2015 7:16:42 GMT
Im excited!!! Also op tracer soon to be hero :OO Also lets try to show up for this sunday
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Post by lorgi on Nov 8, 2015 21:11:21 GMT
to whom it may matter, list of my heroes (I comfortably play) (coloured for preferred heroes)
tanks: Anub'arak, Arthas, Diablo, ETC, Johanna, Leoric, Muradin, Rexxar, Sonya, Artanis
assassins: Falstad, Nova, Jaina, Illidan, Raynor, Tychus, Valla, Zeratul
support: Kharazim, Malfurion, Rehgar, Tassadar
specialists: Sylvanas
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