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Post by Peter on Jun 3, 2014 11:15:26 GMT
Thanks for posting Colosal. I am sure people can make up their own minds and decide what they think having heard your side also.
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jun 3, 2014 11:26:05 GMT
And anyone is also free to email Kyle at kyle@wulven.com if you think colly has been treated unfairly.
You can also PM Kyle at SE forums. Anyone is also free to do a post at SE forums. Or invite Kyle to post on this thread.
You have the tools now.
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Post by Peter on Jun 3, 2014 11:30:45 GMT
Yeah I can't confirm every little thing with Kyle. He is starting to get irritated. From what we know I am happy we have a fairly accurate picture.
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Post by Colosal on Jun 3, 2014 12:10:20 GMT
As a guest i cant start threads or at least idk how to do it. Can someone make my 2 posts as a new thread becaue here it gets lost behind the strong OP. Thanks
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Post by Colosal on Jun 3, 2014 12:11:16 GMT
Also being in page 2...
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Post by Peter on Jun 3, 2014 12:14:33 GMT
Please register again on the forum instead and you can create threads etc.
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jun 3, 2014 12:20:26 GMT
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Post by Colosal on Jun 3, 2014 12:39:31 GMT
Please register again on the forum instead and you can create threads etc. Pete You must ban my ip now, even when i won't make an account or come back to BP, the hacker still have my ip number and use it to damage BP. already sent an email to kyle telling him about this risk and if he know a way to avoid it. i guess that the only way is to ban my ip.
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Post by Peter on Jun 3, 2014 12:41:41 GMT
Im not sure what difference it would make, nor do I find that a likely scenario. Thanks for the advice, but I will pass this time.
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Post by Oblio on Jun 3, 2014 13:08:30 GMT
Colly... ...for what it is worth...I think your greatest strength and weakness comes from the emotion and passion that you put into everything you do. When I was leader...I had to deal with several different "wildfire" type problems that came up. I can tell you that it is not easy. Everyone wants answers right away and fact finding doesn't work that way. It is slow, laborious, and requires patience and persistence. It is also thankless work. I'm sure the guardians tried their best on your behalf. It seems like you are bitter about the way some things were handled and how people form different opinions from the same set of information...but really...how could it be any different? It takes time to sort it all out. This wasn't what you wanted...so you choose to take another route...
But please remember...just because everyone didn't agree...doesn't mean we aren't your brothers. Brothers squabble and fight all the time...and then they pick each other up. You didn't deserve everything that got thrown at you but at the heart of the matter is the fact that you accepted some "Ill Gotten Gains". It is natural that people would have different feelings about that...that there would be confusion over the hacking allegations and your reasons for leaving. I am sure we could have worked that out together as a group...95% of what has been said internally has been supportive...but you choose another route...
Now it seems like things are getting sour. I can't help it if you feel that way...but I wish you would choose another route...
...just don't pretend that we are pushing you off a cliff when you are driving the bus...
You wanted to leave. We want you back. It can be as simple as that if you let it be. There is nothing that has transpired that we can't work through together.
Miss your fire brother...not the same without you.
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Post by udy on Jun 4, 2014 2:36:26 GMT
colly pls comeback. we need u! and pjoe was pleging everyone to host US time friendly pop up... lol seems he hate zhou's pop up time I like ur pop up time better compared to zhou, no offense bro (funny since Zhou and I only have 1 hour time difference...I guess Zhou just wake up to early)
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Post by Skurai on Jun 5, 2014 2:56:21 GMT
ok, up till now I kept my opinion to myself cause I think it was irrelevant but here it is anyway. I never doubted Colly's innocence, I also felt he was telling the truth cause I've come to known he's a friend I could trust, however , I knew the investigation and fighting process would take time, not only cause it involved Wulven but because the Guardian's Council has bros from all over the globe. Getting peoplel to check a forum topic, share their thoughts, discuss, conclude the right course of action, and finally execute, takes time. RL comes first always, entertainment is something we get to enjoy whenever we take a brake from RL. We often can't take breaks, but when you do, one normally wants to relax, kick back and have some fun. I'm sure handling these kind of things is no fun for anyone, so mad props to them Guardians. All in all, I agree with the OP, also with Oblio's post, very well put. One more thing however : Maybe it was just me idk, but I did understood Colly's rash decision to leave all of a sudden. He probably was just fed up with Wulven to the point he doesn't want to support them in any way, maybe some other things took weight and this issue came to be the straw that broke the camel's back. I didn't think he acted suspicious but rather very in line with his normal behavior. A good thing Colly has is he always accepted his shortcomings and he always mentioned patience as one of them. Too bad all this happened and we ended up without him. :/
I always wondered why Emoce was so rich and inactive...
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Post by shrapnelfox on Jun 5, 2014 8:57:29 GMT
It would be a loss to both BP and the SE Community if Colly leaves, never to return.
I'll keep out of the politics.
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jun 5, 2014 9:56:40 GMT
Added 1 line in OP to indicate that the first exchange between bp guardians and Kyle was Pete's Skype convo with Kyle, which indicated that the bannings took place because the hacker's ip matched with colly's SE forum account + colly's game accounts that benefited from the hack.
Some additional info regarding the delays:
- after Kyle's Skype convo with Pete, boobypim had emailed Kyle twice to ask if Kyle was absolutely sure if emoce did not remotely took control of colly's PC somehow and hacked as though emoce was at colly's house, I.e hacked using colly's ip. There were no replies (yet) to those emails. But it was found out later that Kyle was absolutely sure (in Kyle's mind) that the hack was done at colly's house. Kyle did not rule out that someone could have sat at the desk and used colly's PC, but he remains unconvinced (I.e. The same stand as Pete, Pete had provided some tech insights) that emoce was somehow able to hack using colly's ip.
- at the same time the emails were sent, with the basic premise of the hacker's ip, I wanted to continue to move things along on both spectrums so I pmed colly to ask if he knows about this specific evidence of the IPs being all the same. (Hacker + all of colly/his brother's accounts) (yes, colly is aware of that evidence)
- this eventually led to colly penning a letter and me suggesting for him to send it to Kyle directly.
- the letter resulted in the unbans.
- later, Pete also asked Kyle regarding the unban and Kyle indicated that colly was a active contributor to SE forums (understatement of the year!!!!!) and that he decided to be lenient (note: Kyle has not change his stand regarding the case) and thus resulted in unbans.
It was Important to ask Kyle why the unbans took place, because if colly was falsely accused and the unbans were 'oops, we made a mistake in making those bans!!!' - then the guardians will inform all of bp that wulven had made a mistake and then decide what the guild/members wants to do for the next step. Similarly, that's also what this thread is for: to inform and update everyone.
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Post by Colosal on Jun 5, 2014 13:04:05 GMT
...all cool but i still wonder why keeping me outside of that without telling me a word? mad and crazy as i am, why keeping me in silence? Is like having an armed time bomb and wait until the last second to stop it.
Choices were made, now is too late to try to change it, from me or anyone here.
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jun 5, 2014 13:45:16 GMT
?? Did you restrict yourself to BPh and then you deleted your account?
Unless I was mistaken, no one changed your status except yourself?
The guardians were waiting on Kyle's email reply. I hope u also saw mip's draft pm to Kyle before u left guardians area. I pmed you cos I felt Kyle was taking too long to reply bobbypim. Surprisingly, Kyle emailed or pmed you before he even replied bobby. I don't think he has even replied bobby yet as of now.
Your open letter to bp in pupils area is still there, there is another thread in the members's area. I don't think anyone asked or forced you to leave, you can see those threads if you had not reduced your status and I would say 95% of the people here, including myself, don't want you to leave. I think oblio's post sums up a lot of our guys's feelings and thoughts. It's just above, I hope you have a chance to read it.
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Post by Colosal on Jun 5, 2014 15:11:04 GMT
?? Did you restrict yourself to BPh and then you deleted your account? Unless I was mistaken, no one changed your status except yourself? The guardians were waiting on Kyle's email reply. I hope u also saw mip's draft pm to Kyle before u left guardians area. I pmed you cos I felt Kyle was taking too long to reply bobbypim. Surprisingly, Kyle emailed or pmed you before he even replied bobby. I don't think he has even replied bobby yet as of now. Your open letter to bp in pupils area is still there, there is another thread in the members's area. I don't think anyone asked or forced you to leave, you can see those threads if you had not reduced your status and I would say 95% of the people here, including myself, don't want you to leave. I think oblio's post sums up a lot of our guys's feelings and thoughts. It's just above, I hope you have a chance to read it. Already explained why i took my rank away and even changed my nick here and i won't go over that again. All you are showing now, i could be part of it or at least show me the pms or skype chats. instead of that i was in darkness for 1 week, while i was getting pictures of threads in warriors or guardians sections that only helped to raise doubts against me. I'm ready to leave all behind now and i don't want to get part in this topic anymore. I'm a hacker or not, think what you want, people that cares about me know the truth.
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Post by Karlos4 on Jun 5, 2014 16:05:47 GMT
?? Did you restrict yourself to BPh and then you deleted your account? Unless I was mistaken, no one changed your status except yourself? The guardians were waiting on Kyle's email reply. I hope u also saw mip's draft pm to Kyle before u left guardians area. I pmed you cos I felt Kyle was taking too long to reply bobbypim. Surprisingly, Kyle emailed or pmed you before he even replied bobby. I don't think he has even replied bobby yet as of now. Your open letter to bp in pupils area is still there, there is another thread in the members's area. I don't think anyone asked or forced you to leave, you can see those threads if you had not reduced your status and I would say 95% of the people here, including myself, don't want you to leave. I think oblio's post sums up a lot of our guys's feelings and thoughts. It's just above, I hope you have a chance to read it. Already explained why i took my rank away and even changed my nick here and i won't go over that again. All you are showing now, i could be part of it or at least show me the pms or skype chats. instead of that i was in darkness for 1 week, while i was getting pictures of threads in warriors or guardians sections that only helped to raise doubts against me. I'm ready to leave all behind now and i don't want to get part in this topic anymore. I'm a hacker or not, think what you want, people that cares about me know the truth. It´s not only about you being a hacker or not, but about the whole mess and your reaction. We would be glad to welcome you back.
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Post by Peter on Jun 5, 2014 17:23:05 GMT
?? Did you restrict yourself to BPh and then you deleted your account? Unless I was mistaken, no one changed your status except yourself? The guardians were waiting on Kyle's email reply. I hope u also saw mip's draft pm to Kyle before u left guardians area. I pmed you cos I felt Kyle was taking too long to reply bobbypim. Surprisingly, Kyle emailed or pmed you before he even replied bobby. I don't think he has even replied bobby yet as of now. Your open letter to bp in pupils area is still there, there is another thread in the members's area. I don't think anyone asked or forced you to leave, you can see those threads if you had not reduced your status and I would say 95% of the people here, including myself, don't want you to leave. I think oblio's post sums up a lot of our guys's feelings and thoughts. It's just above, I hope you have a chance to read it. Already explained why i took my rank away and even changed my nick here and i won't go over that again. All you are showing now, i could be part of it or at least show me the pms or skype chats. instead of that i was in darkness for 1 week, while i was getting pictures of threads in warriors or guardians sections that only helped to raise doubts against me. I'm ready to leave all behind now and i don't want to get part in this topic anymore. I'm a hacker or not, think what you want, people that cares about me know the truth. Wow, kept in 'darkness' for a whole week? The torture! The mutiny! Seriously, get a grip and stop being so childish. Everyone has been 100% open about everything, and continues to do so. You want to continue to commit intellectual suicide, then fine, but bloody well don't do it in my name or anyone else here, because I'm not interested. Do it in your own name and take the responsibility for it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Post by Colosal on Jun 5, 2014 19:22:46 GMT
Already explained why i took my rank away and even changed my nick here and i won't go over that again. All you are showing now, i could be part of it or at least show me the pms or skype chats. instead of that i was in darkness for 1 week, while i was getting pictures of threads in warriors or guardians sections that only helped to raise doubts against me. I'm ready to leave all behind now and i don't want to get part in this topic anymore. I'm a hacker or not, think what you want, people that cares about me know the truth. Wow, kept in 'darkness' for a whole week? The torture! The mutiny! Seriously, get a grip and stop being so childish. Everyone has been 100% open about everything, and continues to do so. You want to continue to commit intellectual suicide, then fine, but bloody well don't do it in my name or anyone else here, because I'm not interested. Do it in your own name and take the responsibility for it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Thanks pete, i love to see you active at least to attack me I wish someday to be so perfect in everything as you. You obviously don't make mistakes or been in a bad situations. Is so easy to talk when you are not the one with the problem, i wish you'll never have to be in my shoes I could show you at least 3 threads hidden from me, were everyone were talking about my case; chats with kyle, emails, pms and I can show 3 pms where... you know what i won't my waste my time anymore
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