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Post by Zhou on Jan 30, 2013 16:13:51 GMT
Something to do with the current news on your side?
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Post by The Stalker on Jan 30, 2013 17:33:21 GMT
I don't have the faintest clue what this is about...
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Post by Pandevmonium on Jan 30, 2013 17:39:18 GMT
A summary for non Singonesian members ?
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Post by kangozza on Jan 30, 2013 17:48:04 GMT
It basically mean the current Singaporean group esp those in their "fertile age" don't want to get married or give birth to a child till the gov have to come up with some incentive to forced them to give birth. Basically, it means the mean age group in SG is currently shifting to the older age group instead of being in the balance.
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Post by Direwulven on Jan 30, 2013 17:49:37 GMT
ah.... it has been a running (joke) issue in Singapore.
SG lacks sufficient manpower so the government encourages immigrants and they are also known as "foreign talents". Singaporeans take a very dim view of such foreign talents (or FTs in short) cos these guys are either not as talented as they perceive themselves to be or they are not committed to a long-term stay in SG.
As far as the Singapore army is concerned, it comprises regular personnel, national servicemen (i.e. those guys who have to serve the nation for two years when they are 18) and reservist (guys who have already completed National Service). And these numbers can certainly benefit from a boost from the FTs.
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Post by Pandevmonium on Jan 30, 2013 17:54:27 GMT
It basically mean the current Singaporean group esp those in their "fertile age" don't want to get married or give birth to a child till the gov have to come up with some incentive to forced them to give birth. Basically, it means the mean age group in SG is currently shifting to the older age group instead of being in the balance. Ah, nothing new to Western Europe...
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Post by kangozza on Jan 30, 2013 18:05:02 GMT
ah.... it has been a running (joke) issue in Singapore. SG lacks sufficient manpower so the government encourages immigrants and they are also known as "foreign talents". Singaporeans take a very dim view of such foreign talents (or FTs in short) cos these guys are either not as talented as they perceive themselves to be or they are not committed to a long-term stay in SG. Am I considered a FT if I were to work there? ^-^
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Post by Direwulven on Jan 30, 2013 18:12:41 GMT
ah.... it has been a running (joke) issue in Singapore. SG lacks sufficient manpower so the government encourages immigrants and they are also known as "foreign talents". Singaporeans take a very dim view of such foreign talents (or FTs in short) cos these guys are either not as talented as they perceive themselves to be or they are not committed to a long-term stay in SG. Am I considered a FT if I were to work there? ^-^ Malaysians are the true talents in SG. If it hadn't been for Malaysian migrants, SG would never have grown this much. FTs don't apply to Msians.
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Post by Zhou on Jan 31, 2013 1:45:51 GMT
Yay. Msians ftw!
@pandev: I heard the situation is really bad at Europe too. Retirement age in Germany is 68 years old (if i am not mistaken?) because the younger workforce is just too few.
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Post by MistahBoweh on Jan 31, 2013 2:29:27 GMT
As an American, I find all this crazy. We don't need government programs here to have unprotected sex on a regular basis.
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Post by Mip on Jan 31, 2013 3:02:49 GMT
No, your government just prohibits educating youth about anticonception...
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Post by MistahBoweh on Jan 31, 2013 4:33:22 GMT
The term is Contraceptives, and only in a handful of states whose politics are dominated by religious organizations. Birth control is a surprisingly hot button issue here, but the majority is for, not against. It's when you start talking about abortion that the country becomes more divided.
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Post by Zhou on Jan 31, 2013 4:46:04 GMT
As an American, I find all this crazy. We don't need government programs here to have unprotected sex on a regular basis. I doubt its unprotected sex at all we are talking about. They are generally too damn busy to even have it. And many (if not most) think that having a family/babies are a hassle or they couldn't afford to support the family or they want to spend the money on themselves.
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jan 31, 2013 6:40:11 GMT
As an American, I find all this crazy. We don't need government programs here to have unprotected sex on a regular basis. ...... or they want to spend the money on themselves. That's me and my wife. Modern singapore is a very strange place: there is so much work that no one is enjoying having kids. That's just so wrong considering that my wife and I were planning to have 2 babies when we get married when we were dating in our 20s. To many of my peers, they struggle along in life just so they can 'enjoy' having kids and meeting the expectations of society, their own parents and community. My wife and I are just not going to succumb to that kind of pressure. It's really sad living in singapore, regarding this aspect. I would rather live comfortably now rather than to having to think about bills all the time.
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Post by MistahBoweh on Jan 31, 2013 7:18:19 GMT
...... or they want to spend the money on themselves. That's me and my wife. Modern singapore is a very strange place: there is so much work that no one is enjoying having kids. That's just so wrong considering that my wife and I were planning to have 2 babies when we get married when we were dating in our 20s. To many of my peers, they struggle along in life just so they can 'enjoy' having kids and meeting the expectations of society, their own parents and community. My wife and I are just not going to succumb to that kind of pressure. It's really sad living in singapore, regarding this aspect. I would rather live comfortably now rather than to having to think about bills all the time. I think I sort of get the current climate. not enough workers available in the work force, so those that do are forced to work long hours just so the country's infrastructure stays afloat, meanwhile these overworked people don't have as high a birth rate which is what's causing not enough workers in the first place. Sounds to me the job market is where this shit needs to change, if it's easier for workers to find jobs than employers find workers, the workers need to start negotiating their job status. Unionization is how the american job market fixed this little issue. Higher job satisfaction means happier people which meens more boom chicka wah wah and more money to start families. This whole FT thing is a temporary fix at best which sounds like a horrible idea, making it easier to outsource? It makes sense to encourage immigration, but populating the market with foreign labor is only going to make it harder for the laborers to find high quality work. I may not know the whole issue, but sounds to me like somebody with business ties knows a shift needs to happen but is just afraid of the inevitable.
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Post by Zhou on Jan 31, 2013 7:47:10 GMT
Yup, FT is only a temporary solution at best. There is also the currency flow (out of the country) which is inevitable. Similar situation is happening in Malaysia. The locals are too lazy (or comfort seeking) to do the basic jobs which involves more labour. We ended up outsourcing foreign workers to do our "dirty work". The locals rather do an easy-going job (part-time, low job hours) and continue to be poor.
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Post by Pandevmonium on Jan 31, 2013 11:45:05 GMT
According to statistics in Italy yearly number of deaths trespassed number of borns a phew years ago. Not that we die so much, expectation of life is slightly moving towards 100, so you can imagine how old we're becoming...
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Post by The Stalker on Jan 31, 2013 11:52:45 GMT
Well, in South Africa it is the opposite problem. The male life expectancy here is about 45, because of poverty, aids and TB. And according to an article I just read South Africa has the highest rate of births outside of marriage anywhere in the world (61%), the lowest level of marriage anywhere in the world, 55% of children live in a home where the head of the home is unemployed, 80% life in a household where the head of the household didn't finish high school, and one in five kids life in a home with neither parent...
We have an exploding population of teenagers and 20 something's with no education, no stable family structure, all getting pregnant...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 12:06:17 GMT
As the topic stated (tho it's just a joke, and a pretty funny one), the issue is pretty real. Without FT's the island's economy will sink but with them the the local citizen will be cannibalized in terms of jobs/careers so like Raph said most are rather bother thinking of a good life than to make "life" miserably. rofl
lol, I sure like to have a green card in my hands as a plan b....
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Post by Direwulven on Jan 31, 2013 12:08:35 GMT
As the topic stated (tho it's just a joke, and a pretty funny one), the issue is pretty real. Without FT's the island's economy will sink but with them the the local citizen will be cannibalized in terms of jobs/careers so like Raph said most are rather bother thinking of a good life than to make "life" miserably. rofl lol, I sure like to have a green card in my hands as a plan b.... Green card is not a good idea unless you intend to leave SG for good. The US has this concept of global taxation. You don't really wanna pay more tax when you are not in the US.
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