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Post by Unruler on Mar 2, 2016 4:15:57 GMT
So, how do you like better Nazeebo? OP or...
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Post by Unruler on Mar 2, 2016 4:50:56 GMT
So far it looks like he has a lot of ways to punish tanks and melee assassins (which are already one of the weakest archetypes in the game). I'm worried that this will further solidify mage burst meta.
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Post by lorgi on Mar 2, 2016 15:51:30 GMT
I like him (so what else is new? ) and mage burst is not meta anymore, we moved away from stun meta, so they lost a lot of potency
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Post by Unruler on Mar 2, 2016 19:05:14 GMT
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Post by Aferes on Mar 2, 2016 19:52:52 GMT
Actually i think we will move to a mage meta, or maybe at least ranged damage. Because melee comps get countered by xul. That 75% attack speed reduction is really noticeable. We will see, he has cc which is always good(combo into tyrande stun/etc stun/mura stun op op op)
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Post by Unruler on Mar 2, 2016 21:56:17 GMT
Actually i think we will move to a mage meta, or maybe at least ranged damage. Because melee comps get countered by xul. That 75% attack speed reduction is really noticeable. We will see, he has cc which is always good(combo into tyrande stun/etc stun/mura stun op op op) Yeah all we needed is counter to already underpowered hero archetypes...
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Post by lorgi on Mar 3, 2016 0:08:39 GMT
I definetly don't see Xul as first 3 picks on a team because other team can easily spec into 2 ranged damage dealers and fuck him over if a team wants to go into melee (Thrall and Sonya predominant choices, occasionally Illidan), simply ban him in bans round 2 you could also ban Xul in round 1 if you really want either Sonya or Thrall as a first pick so I could see him banned a lot, but don't believe he'll see too much play
and melees are not underpowered look at the list: Illidan, Kerrigan, Butcher, Thrall, Artanis, Arthas, Sonya out of those Thrall and Sonya are among the best heroes in the game, Illidan is decent but requires good drafting Kerrigan lacks sustain, Butcher lacks escape, Artanis is pretty bad by design, Arthas has some uses, but quite underwhelming overall those heroes are not too bad on their own though, but require very specific drafts on your team (limiting drafting flexibility on early picks, which is very important) AND they require specific heroes on the oppossing side, therefore they will never see much use until they get buffed their buffs must be done carefully though, because they have tremendous (game-breaking imo) potential
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Post by Unruler on Mar 4, 2016 0:35:08 GMT
He has 58,5% winrate, higher than pre-nerf liming and reghar. OPOP
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Post by Unruler on Mar 18, 2016 1:35:53 GMT
Tried this guy and so far not impressed at all. Very difficult to play: no escape he needs to go full ham to achieve anything and I usually die. No idea why he is so overhyped...
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Post by Aferes on Mar 21, 2016 4:59:27 GMT
The reason xul is so "op" is because of his insane wave clear and sustain on the lane(at lvl 7 he matches thrall level of sustain). The power his trait provides to the lanes makes for huge waves and combined with mercs it is very powerful. Clearing a wave FAST and effective in this game is very impactful(hence Leoric and johanna nerf in its time.He can 1v1 any hero in a lane with ease. In teamfights he counter autoattackers. Personally i believe raised mages+executioner is the way to go if you want to have effective team fights. Yes he has no escape but you want to be selective when to go in, knowing most of your opponents CDS are down. His bone armor should get you out if needed. Overall very good and will be a top pick until there are other heroes who can do what he does.
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Post by Unruler on Mar 21, 2016 11:57:51 GMT
Idk, There are bunch of heroes with good wave clear, they are not played simply because of that. Xul is way too vulnerable to ranged poke and range heroes can easily pressure him even in lane, he cannot do much about it. Very easily ganked in lane because no escape. Very difficult to use in teamfights, since requires hard engage and no escape.
I really, really don't get where is all hype and large winrates are coming from. Like from specialist perspective Zagara, Sylvanas or even Hammer would be better. Xul is more like a Nazeebo since he has some form of hard to use control, but when it works it's good. Nazeebo has more longevity in lane though and ranged capabilities.
If you want to punish Melee heavy comps, sure Xul would do nicely, but who plays them? It's a poke meta after ming lee.
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Post by lorgi on Mar 21, 2016 14:05:32 GMT
www.youtube.com/user/KhaldorTV/videoswatch Xul players and you'll see how insane he can be even weak teams use him very well when they get the chance to draft him (also, pay attention to 16.5 in the description, in 16.4 he was blatantly OP, that's not interesting to watch)
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Post by Unruler on Mar 21, 2016 18:32:00 GMT
www.youtube.com/user/KhaldorTV/videoswatch Xul players and you'll see how insane he can be even weak teams use him very well when they get the chance to draft him (also, pay attention to 16.5 in the description, in 16.4 he was blatantly OP, that's not interesting to watch) Competitive hots is irrelevant to me since I play mainly QM. Any hero can work if you have a strategy for him and use teamwork like engaging tank and dd following up.
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Post by lorgi on Mar 22, 2016 11:32:59 GMT
www.youtube.com/user/KhaldorTV/videoswatch Xul players and you'll see how insane he can be even weak teams use him very well when they get the chance to draft him (also, pay attention to 16.5 in the description, in 16.4 he was blatantly OP, that's not interesting to watch) Competitive hots is irrelevant to me since I play mainly QM. Any hero can work if you have a strategy for him and use teamwork like engaging tank and dd following up. dude, when you're asking about the strength of a hero that's the only relevant level in QM Zeratul and Nova are still among the few best heroes
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Post by Unruler on Mar 22, 2016 12:18:54 GMT
Competitive hots is irrelevant to me since I play mainly QM. Any hero can work if you have a strategy for him and use teamwork like engaging tank and dd following up. dude, when you're asking about the strength of a hero that's the only relevant level in QM Zeratul and Nova are still among the few best heroes Why is it relevant? Competitive hots is vastly different from QM or even HL. Talent choices are different, hero picks are different, strategies too. Like I seen people winning championships with wonky comps that made no sense to me at the first glance and in HL would be considered "troll pick". Big problem is that people watch competitive and then trying to imitate seen strategies in their games, failing miserably for reasons I said earlier (no teamwork in their game, at least not competitive level). I haven't seen Zeratul in Qm for quite a while, definitely not popular hero and never been as popular as Nova, which is ingrained in minds of players as "best hero killer in the game" no matter weak or strong, buffed or nerfed, they pick nova in qm and hl, but qm is just infested with nova, yes.
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